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11/09/2009

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Dianne Foster

Okay, Okay, I mostly agree with you (HEAVEN FORFEND!!), although I must confess, I never watched Jaws the movie.

In the literature and writing classes I have taken, folks argue about fiction, to the point that one author said when this discussion begins she feels like taking herself to the attic with the vapors. This is one reason I like Jane Austin, who never, ever confused anything with alcohol. On the other hand, did Drieser have the vapors when he wrote his book? What a dismal man.

In the olden days, apparently refined folks never talked about alcholism, instead, the gentility referred to the alcoholic state as 'having the vapors.' Did Lizzie Borden have the vapors when she gave her parents 40 whacks? (Someday, I have to find out if this is true.) The tidbit about the vapors was told me by a docent when I visited Nathaniel Hawthorn's Green Manse in Condord. She said Mrs Hawthorn regularly took to her room with the vapors. So, what kinda guy was Nathaniel, whose grandfather was the hanging judge in the Salem Witch trials? Oh that's right, he used to have a few toddies with Ralph Waldo, his near neighbor. Notice the gender difference?

Speaking of subjectivity, the only thing each of us has is our own subjectivety, and never the twain shall meet. History is nothing but other people's stories. I like some of them better than others.

Discussions of fiction and alcohol and the linkages between them have something of a pedigree, as every book seller, writer and most historians know.

Wayne Z.


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OMG!! Diane said she sort of kind of agrees with me! Mark your calendars! ;-)

History is indeed nothing but other peoples stories, but lets not confuse stories with fiction, or fiction with the idea that there are certain ;facts that we ascertain. Yes, I am a bit of a realist. Maybe the right label is policy realist ala Rom Harre. I guess my objection is what we use fiction for. Is it to understand the state of mind at a point in time, or is it to simply entertain by creating characters in order to make history fun? history has enough weirdness to it, no need to make stuff up!!

Dianne Foster

I can tell you are sending messages from your IPOD, you capitalist you.

You need to read more Jane Austen. She was a realist of a female kind.

Lindsey Bestebreurtje

Best scene in Jaws. "Farewell and adieu to ye fair spanish ladies!"

... Anyways... I too do not enjoy history as fiction. Well maybe that isn't right. I enjoy going to see movies like "Glory" and "Inglorious Bastards" but at the end I'm that person who points out all the historical inaccuracies. I'm lame, I know it.

But inaccuracies make it difficult for educators to teach true history (as much as any history can ever be "true") because they just can't compete with the popular history which is easier, more interesting, repeated over and over on TNT as a new classic, or all of the above. Perhaps some historians should get involved in the entertainment industry and make sure at least some of these inaccuracies don't make it to the silver screen. *cough* The Patriot *cough*

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