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09/28/2009

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Dianne Schmidley

Wayne,
The way I see it folks who worship mathematics are like Catholics used to be...or at least what we thought before the Ecumencial Movement.

Our priest told the story of the Protestant who died and went to heaven and when he got there Saint Peter told him he could go anywhere in heaven he wanted. One day he was looking around heaven and noticed a closed and locked door. He heard a lot of laughing on the other side, and he asked St. Peter if he could go in that room because it seemed whoever was in there was having a great deal of fun. St Peter said, "No, that room holds only Catholics, and they think they are the only ones up here."

Thus my point is this. There is nothing mathmeticians can see, that others can't see....although each "philosopher" operates from his or her own worldview, as Foucault noted.

Furthermore, whatever has been said, Shakespeare said it best, so if we want to be wise, i.e., "understand," we should read Shakespeare's works, again and again....even the painful ones like 'Titus'(which I dispise). (Recall that Shakespeare wrote during the English Reformation.)

Take Hamlet for example. This play, like many of Shakespeare's plays is about revenge. Most, if not all, of the world's ills have to do with revenge.

When you finally realize you can never get revenge for a past wrong (not even if you are the Wicked Witch), and that two wrongs never make a right (try as they might, there is nothing humans alive today can do to make amends to past victims of exploitaion and/or murder without creating new vicitims), then you have reached true wisdom. Like it or not, this IS how it IS.

Lindsey Bestebreurtje

Your comment "It is the idea that taking on the mask of mathematics gives some legitimacy to an argument" made me think of O'Malley's discussion of the role of science in legitimizing racism. By connecting their ideas of hate to the "science" of cranial size and social Darwinism opponents of equal rights were able to stop the potential for equality during Reconstruction.

We want to feel like our ideas of legitimate and so we connect them with the things that we dont think people can argue against - math, sciene, religion. It is too overwhelming for people to think about all their beliefs and morals as relative so they connect them to the "real." To some extent I feel like this is a result to the standardization of daily life described by Chandler because of the improvements in technology.

Its all bullshit.

Dianne Schmidley

Leslie, you are so young to be so jaded.

The measurement of heads had to do with intelligence, and although some contemporary analysts look backwards and see race in everything, others (like Marxists) look back and see class.

Members of the elite, which included those whom we might call 'scientists' today tried to show that the justification for subjecting the many by the few had to do with supposed mental inferiority and this pertained to serfs, Slavs, slaves (root word is Slav), women and others.

Mathematics may have been used to mask this, but let us not throw the baby out with the bath water.

Antiquated ideas did affect science for sure. My favorite story is told by Clara Pinto, who shows how the discovery of what led to the human fetus (i.e., female egss and male sperm) was delayed by centuries by male scientists who persisted in believing males implanted seeds that grew into babies.

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Take Hamlet for example. This play, like many of Shakespeare's plays is about revenge. Most, if not all, of the world's ills have to do with revenge. Mathematics may have been used to mask this, but let us not throw the baby out with the bath water. To some extent I feel like this is a result to the standardization of daily life described by Chandler because of the improvements in technology.

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